Music Biz 101 & More is the only FREE advice talk show in America broadcast on college radio that focuses on the business side of the music & entertainment worlds. Hosted by William Paterson University’s Dr. Stephen Marcone & Professor David Philp, the show airs each Wednesday at 8pm on WPSC-FM, Brave New Radio.
Music Biz 101 & More: The Podcast With Special Guest Dave Lory, Former Jeff Buckley & Courtney Love Manager
In this episode, Dave Lory, Jeff Buckley and Courtney Love’s former manager, talks about managing difficult artists, getting fired by difficult artists, how managers react when their client dies, and how important the international market is. He also answers your tweets. A full recap of the show is below. You can also hear it now!
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After fun and intriguing banter, we introduce the student co-hose for the week at 3 minutes in, Alisa Semetis.
Then we’re at the 4-minute mark and Doc Marcone introduces Dave Lory.
We officially all become flies on the wall at 7:48, when Dave Lory talks about his start in the music industry. During his story, he mentions how he had to choose (at 10 minutes in) between being his band’s drummer or manager. He chose management.
In 1984, Dave was told to look at the entire world. “You can be big in France and make a lot of money. You don’t have to be Madonna.”
Dave mentions how he’s have “more success outside the United States” at 13:20. “I was flying around the world for 20-25 years on someone else’s dime and enjoying it.”
Dave talks about how he ran clubs at 14 minutes in and how creativity helped his success.
At 15:39, Dave explains how he earned a reputation “as a ‘cleaner,’ meaning it’s all messed up come in and fix it.” This leads to how, at 18 minutes in, he faced up to Dickie Betts and eventually became the tour manager and personal manager for Gregg Allman and the Allman Brothers.
You hear the name “Red Dog” a few times, who is a famous roadie who was involved with the Allman Brothers Band.
Around 19 minutes, there’s more talk of Dave’s tenure as a “cleaner.” Listen to this part. Very cool stories and some good strategies for future managers to understand.
At 22 minutes, Dave Lory talks about how he became Courtney Love’s manager.
At the 23 minute mark, Dave talks about his time with Danny Goldberg and why he (Dave) left managing so he could do events and work at a label.
At 24 minutes, Dave talks about Jeff Buckley’s death and how he acted/reacted after Buckley’s death. Which leads to the comparison with the woman who was Michael Hutchence‘s (INXS) manager when he died.
Then we’re on to Mercury Records and Shania Twain and how Dave was involved in turning her into a pop star, internationally first and then in Los Estados Unidos.
We take a quick break and you hear all about the Music Biz 101 & More Theme Song Contest. Then we remind you about this:
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At 32:25, Philp comes back and talks a little bit more about the amazing CONTEST.
Dave Lory is fired from Mercury Records at 34:20. He talks about working with a new (then) start up label, Artemis Records, with Danny Goldberg. They had Grammy nominations and hits like “Who Let The Dogs Out.”
At 39 minutes in, we read our first tweet:
@MusicBiz101WP What do you think are a few of the most common ways people fail at music management?
— Ajee Vann (@Ajee13) October 1, 2014
Then at 41 minutes, this tweet is read:
@MusicBiz101WP When starting an Indie label, how did you go about getting capital in order to begin singing artists?
— Bobby Mahoney (@BobbyMahoney) October 1, 2014
At 42 minutes in, another tweet is read (a three-parter) based on things Jeff Buckley did to get attention before he was ever signed. The key lesson: One fan at a time. Listen to hear to what that’s in reference. Then keep listening as Dave talks about attitude and how “you can’t teach it.”
Professor Philp asks about management sunset clauses and an artist’s death around 45:45.
At 49 minutes, Lory talks about how he was fired by Courtney Love in the Daily News. Great story.
This firing led to Dave’s time at JWT (J. Walter Thompson Advertising) and how he performed music consulting for the firm. Dave talks about the relationships between advertising world, music and marketing.
At 53 minutes, there are rapid fire questions about international artists and touring, challenges faced internationally vs. domestically, managing more than one artist at a time, benefits of being signed to an indie label vs. a major label, questions that an artist should ask a potential manager, and more.
We wrap up at 56:48 and recap the lessons of the day.
The show was then over and there was much rejoicing.
- Steve Leeds – Sirius/XM Radio
- Karl Guthrie – Entertainment Attorney Extraordinaire
- Dr. Rob Quicke – Founder of World College Radio Day
- Dr. E. Michael Harrington – Copyright/Intellectual Property Expert
- George Dassinger – PR Guru (that means Expert)
- Aaron Van Duyne – Business Manager for KISS, Dave Matthews Band, and more
- Harvey Leeds – Personal Manager for Southside Johnny
- Tom Hefter – Marketing Specialist at TicketMaster
- Elena Lanza – Independent Dance Radio Consultant
- Dr. Dave Demsey – Coordinator Jazz Studies Program, William Paterson University
- Paul Sinclair – Head of Digital Strategy, Marketing, eCommerce, and Product Development at Atlantic Records
- Jane Stein – Performing Arts Presenter, William Paterson University
- Sean Gilday & Rachel Hill – Agents, Blue Raven Entertainment
- Wayne Chernin – Island & Republic Records
- Steve Corbin – WEA & Lupo Entertainment
Thanks for listening and, as always, Adios!